Tuesday, October 23, 2012

All-Analog in Pictures

I just managed a handful of snaps over the weekend... here are the best of them.

Saturday

Ash's Call of Cthulhu Adventure in Scotland


Two-Headed Giant
 Sunday


Cthulhu....

Ticket to Ride
Zombicide
Game of Thrones
Get in touch if you have any photos from the weekend you'd like to share.
Thanks again to everyone for making All Analog 2012 a success.


Monday, October 22, 2012

Whew...

Turns out this is a lot of work.

 Apologies for not posting anything sooner. I was just too tired to concentrate (that and I was beckoned by the lads to watch the Dragons/Giants game at our local fan bar). I'm much better now, thanks, although another good night's sleep would be welcome.

So, it was a good time, then?

Thanks to...

...my lovely wife Mayumi. While she doesn't share all of my enthusiasms, she was still more than willing to give of her time unasked. Without her, everyone would have slept on piles of moldy rags and eaten eraser shavings for breakfast. A man like myself could never have a better wife.

...Ash, for getting the word out, his advice, and for running two Call of Cthulhu scenarios separated by only a few hours of sleep. It was Ash who started the event. I am merely carrying on his good work.

...John S. for being so patient and kind with my kids.

...Jesse, for Pandemic (1 win in 3), John M. for Zombicide (0/1), Catherine and Paul for Peurto Rico (1/1), The Other Dave for Gamma World (1/1, in an RPG kind of way), and probably someone else for something I can't remember. Good games, good times.

... Ted B. and Phil P., who both wanted to come but could not. You were missed.

... the plumber, who showed up promptly on a Sunday afternoon to fix the bathroom fixtures.

...and to everyone who came from near and far for their good cheer, good company and support. I feel I should say something here about the power of games to bring people together, but I won't. That would be cheesy.

So, same time next year?

Thursday, October 18, 2012

Countdown!


Less than 24 hours to go now. I am confident that it is going to be a lot of fun for everyone.

Overnighters
I sent out an email to those overnighters for which I have addresses, out lining some pretty basic common sense stuff. Thank you all for putting up with my nitpickyness.
If you didn't receive the message, let me know some time today and I'll send it off to you.

First Responders? Early Adopters?
If you're coming by train, Ash will be waiting at the East exit of Tsu station at around 11:00 - 11:10 to escort you to my home. Those who can't make the assembly time and are not sure how to get here, read on.

Where are we?
Paste this address in yer Google Maps and smoke it:

三重県津市25-15鳥居町
Mie-ken, Tsu-shi, 25-15 Torii-cho

We are about 20 minutes walk from the west exit of Tsu Station, or about ¥700 by taxi from the East exit. If you're driving we have room for 3-4 cars (we'll sort you out once you get here).

On foot
It is essentially a straight line from the station to my home. The last 200 meters can be a bit confusing, but we find it keeps away the riff-raff.
Walk out the West exit of Kintetsu station and straight towards the Family Mart convenience store. Follow the rail line on your left past Eisu and up the hill, where you will find the prefectural office. Cross the street at the light and turn left. Walk about ten meters to some steps. Go down the steps into the large parking lot. continue walking along the railway on your right, past the Mie Police HQ's tennis courts on your left and follow the road under the overpass. The road then bends left. Follow the road and turn right at the (Asahi?) newspaper distribution point/Coke machine. Follow that road past the gravel parking lot on the left and take the last left at the first rice field also on your left, 50m before the railway crossing. Take the first immediate left and go to the end of the short road and walk under the white-framed parking canopy. We are on the ground floor.
If there is a problem, call 059-271-7710.

I won't be here to greet you (I'll be too busy driving back from the office), but my lovely wife Mayumi will make sure you are not exposed to the elements too long.

The GM's are restless...
If you are itching to try some RPG action, check out the Game schedule below and sign up. Gamma World, Fiasco, All Flesh..., Dragon Warriors, something for everyone.




Sunday, October 14, 2012

Pandemic, anyone? No, really.

Hello, all,
I just watched Geek and Sundry's Tabletop featuringa play session of Pandemic. It looks like a lot of fun, and I'd like a chance to play it.
Any of you cats have a copy? Couldja bring it along this weekend? Please?

All-Analog Update #5

Hi, Everyone,
Less than one week to go before all the fun begins. Looks like we'll have a decent turnout, but we still have room for more, so if you know someone who is game-curious, bring them along.

Games Schedule
If you haven't signed up for a game, I encourage you to go to the RPG schedule post and do so. So far we have Gamma World, Call of Cthulhu (twice!), All Flesh Must Be Eaten (Mmm, Zombie Apocalypse...), Dragon Warriors and Fiasco all lined up for you.
And board gamers, if one of you wants to put out a call for players, you can do so posting in the comments section below.

Directions for drivers.
A lot of folks use car navi or Google, but for those who don't, here are some delightfully vague directions to follow.
First thing to do is locate Route 23 or Tsu Interchange. Done? Read on...

Coming from Nagoya/Kuwana
On Route 23, Go past Tsu Station and turn right at Touseibashi (塔世橋). Chunichi Shinbun will be on the left, the post office on the right. Go straight to the first set of lights. Go straight through those lights. Take the last left (it should be obvious) then take the first immediate left. Find the white-framed parking canopy at the end of the road. We'll be on the ground floor.

Coming from Ise/Matsusaka
On Route 23, pass Matsubishi Department store on your right. Turn left onto Phoenix Street at Tsu Central post office and go straight past the Law Courts one or two lights. Turn right at the lights at Tsu city hall/Chuo Kominkan (if you pass NHK you've just missed it). Go straight and turn left at the Lawson convenience store. Go past Panasonic on your right, cross the bridge and turn left at the lights. Go straight. Take the last left (it should be obvious) then take the first immediate left. Find the white-framed parking canopy at the end of the road. We'll be on the ground floor.

Coming From Tsu Interchange (about 10 minutes)
Go through the toll gate and turn left. Go straight, passing Sukiya on the right. Turn right at the lights before the railway tracks. Follow the road and turn right at Maruyasu Supermarket on the right. Go straight. Turn right at the lights. Take the last left (it should be obvious) then take the first immediate left. Find the white-framed parking canopy at the end of the road. We'll be on the ground floor.

Please remember that we have parking for 5 cars maximum each day.

Overnight guests
I'll be sending out an email to all overnight guests on Monday, talking about what to bring and other such stuff. If you don't receive it, check your spam folder. If it isn't there, please send me an email and I'll resend the info straight away. Of course, if I don't have your email, this will be a problem, so...

That's what I have for today. Look forward to seeing you all here on the weekend. More news when I have it!

Saturday, October 6, 2012

Games I want to play: Fiasco

Fiasco is the 2011 Diana Jones Award-winning game from Bully Pulpit Games, designed by Jason Morningstar. In Fiasco, best laid plans and intentions get turned on their head and defeat is snatched from the jaws of victory,  but in a good way, all over the course of a single satisfying session.


It most certainly is.

The way the game is structured, breaking play down into a finite number of scenes and acts, calls to mind some of the Japanese TRPGs I've played, such as Shinobigami and Ryuutama. The 20-page 'Replay' (a transcription of an actual play session popular in Japanese gamerdom) near the end of the book reinforces this for me.
Geek and Sundry's Tabletop  featured the game earlier in 2012. If you are the least bit curious about the game this is an excellent way to learn more about it.

Fiasco is a game I want to play.

Thursday, October 4, 2012

All-in Fold?

I backed this project on Kickstarter the other day...

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You have until Thursday, October 11 at 8:30pm EDT to get in on it.

Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Games I want to Play: King of the Tabletop

Designed by Tom Wham and originally published in Dragon Magazine #77, King of the Tabletop saw players taking on the roles of petty rulers trying to expand their kingdoms through force and guile. Many of the mechanics forshadowed those in Magic: The Gathering, with random land draws influencing how your kingdom grew and what sort of heroes and creatures you could "summon". A seasonal events table also made things a little more chaotic, putting players at the mercy of the elements. Woe betide the plains-heavy kingdom when "Prairie Fire" is rolled!

This game saw further life as "Kings and Things", a game with a troubled history now published by Z-Man Games, but honestly I prefer the simple design of this game. Others seem to agree, with other fans taking the original components, cleaning them up and posting them on the net, giving the game a fresh look.

King of the Tabletop is a game I want to play.

Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Guest of Honour: Doc Brown!


The famous doctor was kind enough to reminisce about being here... two weeks from now. Odd

Let's hear what he had to say.

Updated RPG schedule and games list


Here is the current RPG schedule and list. It's first come, first served, so none of this lollygagging. Reserve a spot by posting in the comments section. Oh, and we take requests.
Board and card games will run on a pick-up-and-play basis; find a game you like, find some players, and your off to the races.
I'll update this post as warranted, so keep checking back to keep up with the changes.

Leslie

*****
SATURDAY

Time Slot: 11:30-15:00 (3.5 hours)
Game: Gamma World
GM: Dave
Number of player slots remaining: 2/4 (Ash, Leslie)

Scenario Description: Demon Dogs! The vile technowizard Evo Darn has captured you in his bizarre catacombs of terror, host to lost technologies from before the Big Mistake, weird creatures from parallel (and perpendicular!) dimensions, and horrifying cyber-magical creations of Darn’s own twisted mind. Can our plucky band of adventurers escape his clutches and/or put a stop to his ineffable scheme to open a door to a dimension of pure – well, if not terror, exactly, it’s at least a dimension of weird pink fungus creatures that a right-minded person wouldn't open a door to. Lords of Light!

Time Slot: 15:00-19:00 (four hours)
Game: All Flesh Must Be Eaten
GM: Ted Bonnah
Number of player slots remaining: 3/4 (Leslie)
Scenario Description: “ENGLAND ABANDONED”. Guy Ritchie meets 28 Days Later. England lays in ruins, overrun by psychotic ‘infected’, and dispossessed Britons like you are impoverished pariahs. You have one chance at a comfortable life – sneak in to your homeland and recover ‘the product’ for a French crime lord. Requires a massive sense of humour, stomach for gore, and outrageous British accents (real or fake). I’ll be using tournament system – fulfill your victory conditions to win the game and a cheesy prize. Rated Mature.

19:00-20:00 BREAK

Time Slot: 20:00-late
Game: Call of Cthulhu
GM: Ashley Laycock
Number of player slots remaining: FULL! 0/6 (Andrew, Chris, Dave B., Paul, Keith, Gabi)
Scenario Description: “Shadows over Scotland” setting. Try not to get kilt.


Time Slot: 20:00-10:30ish
Game: Fiasco
GM: NONE! (GMless RP, but facilitated by Leslie)
Number of slots remaining: 3/4 (Leslie, Ted, Jesse)
Scenario Description: Fiasco creates stories like those found in Coen Brothers movies or the TV show Breaking Bad. Some players will succeed while others will suffer, but all in the cause of telling a great story. Saturday night's game will feature one of the Bookhounds of London (Cthulhuesque), Salem 1692 (Witch trials), Dragon Slayers (D&D gone wrong), or Camp Death (Friday the 13th) playsets


SUNDAY

Time Slot: 10:00-14:00 (four hours)
Game: Call of Cthulhu
GM: Ashley Laycock
Number of player slots remaining: 3/5 (Chris D.,Andrew M., Richard C.)
Scenario Description: Dockside Dogs. Tarantino takes the Pepsi Challenge with the Mythos.

Time slot: 14:00-18:00 (four hours)
Game: Dragon Warriors
GM: Paul Harding
Number of Player Slots: 3/4 (Ash)
Scenario description: Dark medieval fantasy using a classic ruleset. An open ended story with tough choices based on the scenario "The Greatest Prize".

Other (depending on demand) RPGs include:

Classic Traveller
Lady Blackbird
Don’t Rest Your Head

Zombie Cinema
Murderous Ghosts


An incomplete list of Board and Card Games (owner)

Settlers of Catan w/ 5-6 player expansion (Leslie)
Talisman (Leslie)

King of the Tabletop (Leslie)
Zombies!!! (Leslie)
Guillotine (Leslie)
Castle Ravenloft (John S.)
Arkham Horror (John S.)
Zombicide (James from Nara)
Dixit Odyssey (James from Nara)
Magic: The Gathering (Jesse)
Dominion (Jesse)
Android (Egor)
Battlestar Galactica (Egor)

OGRE WW2 Reskin (Leslie)
Zombie Dice (Leslie)
Fluxx



Tabletop Wargaming

Black Powder

*****

Games I want to Play: Kwanchai's reskin of SJG's OGRE


I put together Kwanchai's reskinning of Steve Jackson's Ogre. It's basically vanilla Ogre meets "The Iron Giant" in a World War Two setting, pitting Nazi Germany against the Yanks.

Here are the key components:


 The record sheet, laminated for your protection:


 A detail of the counter sheet, printed out, glued together and cut with These Very Hands:


Now, Steve Jackson Games (or their lawyer) isn't very fond of this, trademark protection being what it is*, but I'm sure they must admire the creativity behind it. I hope I can convince someone to play it during All Analog Games Weekend!


Hi, Gamers. Just a A few tidbits before I hit the sack.

No Room at the Inn
In case your wondering, I'm expecting 13 gamer folk on Saturday, and 16 on Sunday. Well, how 'bout that? Those numbers include the eight people confirmed as overnight guests, and a few more who are staying at the nearby business hotel. I wish I had the room and the resources for more guests, but it's sadly not the case. New gamers are welcome to play during the day, of course, but I can't accommodate any more overnighters.

A request from Egor
One of this weekend's attendees, Egor, is doing a study for his university degree and is looking for volunteers to fill out a questionnaire he describes as "completely anonymous and very easy." So if you have a spare minute, please fill out his survey. I'm sure he will be quite grateful. He might even let you beat him at Android (not really).

A guide from the station
For those of you coming by train, Co-organizer and Cthulhu aficionado Ash has volunteered to meet people at the train station at 11:00-11:10 AM and shepard them to the event location. For those of you arriving later I've posted detailed directions in a previous post.

RPG signup
RPGers should look over the previously-posted game schedule and sign up for the games that interest them. Personally I'm looking forward to trying out All Flesh Must be Eaten and Saturday night's Call of Cthulhu, but don't just blindly follow me; try one of the other games on offer, or demand (Demand!) another game. Someone might accommodate you.

New games on Offer
Add these to those mentioned in a previous post

Game of Thrones
Zombie Cinema
Happy Birthday, Robot!
...and more,if you bring them.

It's late, and I'm feeling knackered, so firgive this post's lack of polish. G'night. I'll write more when I have more to tell you.

Leslie


Saturday, September 29, 2012

All-Analog 2012 Update #4

All-Analog 2012 Update #4

Here it is, only three weeks to go until AAGW kicks off. Very much looking forward to it and having you all a part of it.

Overnighters
So far I’ve got 23 people expressing an interest in coming for at least one day of the event, with 8 of those people asking to stay.  This is great! Still, I know it is a long way off for some of you, and that plans can change.
Here is a list of overnighters (first names only, with apologies)


  1. Andrew
  2.  


  1. Ashley
  2.  


  1. Egor
  2.  

  1. Ted
  2.  

  1. Kris
  2.  

  1. Chris
  2.  

  1. Keith
  2.  

  1. Gabi
  2.  


If you would like sleeping space and your name is not on the list, or your name is on the list and your plans have changed, please send a message to

allanalogDOT2012(AT)gmailDOTcom

with “(YOUR NAME): I’m (not) staying”

in the subject line as soon as you can. Remember, staying over is ¥2000 per person and includes hot shower and breakfast along with two days of gaming.

As for you regular attendees, it would also be nice to know what your plans are. If you are coming, please send an email to the aforementioned address with

“(YOUR NAME): SATURDAY/SUNDAY/WEEKEND

in the subject line. Attendance is ¥500 per day and includes tea, coffee, and cold shower (Am I kidding? AM I??).

Apologies for all the hoop jumping. This is the first time I’ve done something like this. I hope I can streamline the process in the future.

And now a word or two on vices...

Smokers
There will be a smoking area around back for those who need it. Please dispose of your butts and ashes in the receptacle provided, and follow common courtesy rules.

Drinkers
This probably doesn’t need mentioning, but I just want it to be clear. Moderate consumption of alcohol after 18:00 is acceptable. Getting drunk and passing out mid-game, being belligerent, etc., at any time is not. This isn’t a frat party. Apologies for the Bad Cop attitude, but my roof, my rules.

Back to our update.

Games Schedule
I’ve included an RPG schedule and list of games people have promised to bring. If you want to add one to the list, just tell me and I’ll add it to the next update.
If you want to play in a particular RPG on the schedule, send an email with

(YOUR NAME): (GAME) (TIME)

in the subject line. First come, first served, and some spaces are already gone, so act quick.

What about tabletop Wargaming?
Apologies for not talking about this more, and I hope you TTWGers don’t feel left out. We have open space for Black Powder, 40K, or whatever else your steely hearts desire, so bring your terrain and models and mash it up.

OK, that covers it for this week. More information when I have it.

“Good day and good gaming.”

Leslie

***

SATURDAY

Time Slot: 11:00-15:00 (four hours)
Game: Gamma World
GM: Dave
Number of player slots: 4
Scenario Description: Demon Dogs! The vile technowizard Evo Darn has captured you in his bizarre catacombs of terror, host to lost technologies from before the Big Mistake, weird creatures from parallel (and perpendicular!) dimensions, and horrifying cyber-magical creations of Darn’s own twisted mind. Can our plucky band of adventurers escape his clutches and/or put a stop to his ineffable scheme to open a door to a dimension of pure – well, if not terror, exactly, it’s at least a dimension of weird pink fungus creatures that a right-minded person wouldn't open a door to. Lords of Light!

Time Slot: 15:00-19:00 (four hours)
Game: All Flesh Must Be Eaten
GM: Ted Bonnah
Number of player slots: 4
Scenario Description: “ENGLAND ABANDONED”. Guy Ritchie meets 28 Days Later. England lays in ruins, overrun by psychotic ‘infected’, and dispossessed Britons like you are impoverished pariahs. You have one chance at a comfortable life – sneak in to your homeland and recover ‘the product’ for a French crimelord. Requires a massive sense of humour, stomach for gore, and outrageous British accents (real or fake). I’ll be using tournament system – fulfill your victory conditions to win the game and a cheesy prize. Rated Mature.

19:00-20:00 BREAK

Time Slot: 20:00-late
Game: Call of Cthulhu
GM: Ashley Laycock
Number of player slots: 6
Scenario Description: “Shadows over Scotland” setting. Try not to get kilt.

SUNDAY
Time Slot: 10:00-14:00 (four hours)
Game: Call of Cthulhu
GM: Ashley Laycock
Number of player slots: 4
Scenario Description: Dockside Dogs. Tarantino takes the Pepsi Challenge with the Mythos.

Time slot: 14:00-18:00 (four hours)
Game: Dragon Warriors
GM: Paul Harding
Number of Player Slots: 4
Scenario description: Dark medieval fantasy using a classic ruleset. An open ended story with tough choices based on the scenario "The Greatest Prize".

Other (depending on demand) RPGs include:

Lacuna
Fiasco (Bookhounds of London, Salem 1692, Dragon Slayers, and Camp Death playsets)
Classic Traveller
Lady Blackbird
Don’t Rest Your Head
Zombie Cinema
Murderous Ghosts
An incomplete list of Board and Card Games (owner)

Settlers of Catan w/ 5-6 player expansion (Leslie)
Talisman (Leslie)
Zombies!!! (Leslie)
Guillotine (Leslie)
Castle Ravenloft (John S.)
Arkham Horror (John S.)
Zombicide (James from Nara)
Dixit Odyssey (James from Nara)
Magic: The Gathering (Jesse)
Dominion (Jesse)
Android (Egor)
Battlestar Galactica (Egor)
Pocket-box Ogre/WW2 reskin (Leslie)
Zombie Dice (Leslie)

Tabletop Wargaming
Black Powder
Warhammer 40K



Hi folks, Just a quick update on the progress of All-Analog 2012

Scheduled Games
Still a lot to work out but things are happening. Ash will be running Call of Cthulhu both Saturday evening and Sunday morning/afternoon. Gamma World will be happening  early Saturday afternoon, with a possibility of Lacuna afterwards. As for myself I will be running  Don’t Rest Your Head Sunday afternoon.
Aside from RPGs, 40K and Black Powder are going to be running along with Magic throughout the weekend.

A Call for Games
Everyone is encouraged to bring a game or two to the event. My games library is pretty RPG-heavy, although I have a modest assortment of boardgames (Catan w/expansion, Talisman, Zombies!!! OGRE...) and cardgames (Gulliotine, Fluxx..) to keep some folks occupied. Still, a bit more variety won’t hurt, so if you can find room in your rucksack for a game or two please stick one in.

Sleepovers
As of right now, both of my sofabeds have been spoken for, but I still have room for another if that person does not mind Japanese sleeping accommodations. Same ¥2000 breakfast deal applies. At this point the breakfast menu will offer scrambled eggs, ham/sausage, toast, yogurt and fruit, plus coffee and juice, all prepared with These Very Hands.

Food
If you’re anything like me. you will probably get hungry during the weekend. Depending on your needs and budget there are a few options available.
Bento, snacks and drinks can all be had at Maruyasu supermarket about 5+ minutes walk from here. The Lawson convenience store across the river is a good late night option. Honke Kamadoya near city hall is a little farther still, but easily walkable. Another 5 minutes puts you at Shinmachi dori, which boast a decent variety of izakaya and ramen shops, chief among them Takaya and Chirimentei.
Dinner on Saturday evening will be at Italiano (next to Maruyasu), at 18:30. I’ll make a reservation for six people, so let me know if you are interested so I can adjust the number accordingly. Afterwards the gaming continues from 21:00.

Parking.
As long as everyone is not driving HiAces or SUVs, I have room for 4-5 cars. Street parking is not immediately available. Please let me know if you are planning to drive and what model you’re driving.

As I’ve cross-posted this update hither and yon, please send your comments to allanalog.2012@gmail.com to make certain Ash or I see them.

That’s all for now. More info as it becomes available.

Leslie

All Analog update #3

All Analog 2012 Update #3
As the wise man said, the wheel in the sky keeps on turning.

Accommodations:
I’m approaching 20 attendees over  the weekend, some of you coming some distance. This pleases me. I have to say I’m a little surprised by the demand for accommodations, so I’ve juggled things around and found some more floorspace.
If we forego any notion of privacy, I can fit 7-9 of you in here, evacuation center-style: Two on sofabeds, the rest on the tatami in sleeping bags or futon.
Here is a layout of the ground floor where the gaming/sleeping will take place:

https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Public/Accommodations.pdf?w=3aadc5d0

Now, if privacy/real sleep is going to be a concern for you and you still wish to attend, I recommend the Santoku Business Hotel 5+ minutes walk away from here. The rooms start at
¥3900 per person, although I’m not sure if breakfast is included (I believe parking is). Here’s a link

http://www.tripadvisor.ca/Hotel_Review-g298196-d1092257-Reviews-Business_Hotel_Santoku-Tsu_Mie_Prefecture_Kinki.html

Dinner Plans changed
Dinner will be Sunday night, not Saturday, once all the dice are bagged and cards packed. Saturday night really kind of broke up the day. I figure most people came to game. Time and place remain unchanged (Italiano, 6:30), so if you still have the energy to celebrate a weekend of good gaming... goodness, welcome aboard.
Sorry if this is an inconvenience for anyone, but don’t worry; You still have my permission to eat ;)

RPG schedule
I’ll send one out in a day or two. I’m trying to arrange it to maximize participation (whatever that means) The schedule will be formatted like this:

SUNDAY
Time slot: 14:00-18:00 (four hours)
Game: Dragon Warriors
GM: Paul Harding
Scenario description: Dark medieval fantasy using a classic ruleset. An open ended story with tough choices based on the scenario "The Greatest Prize".
Number of Player Slots: 4

Cthulhu, Dragon Warriors and Gamma World so far are confirmed. If you’d like to participate or GM yourself, drop me a line and we’ll pimp your game.

But what about boardgames?
I’m talking a lot about RPGs, but you boardgamers shouldn’t feel slighted. RPGs just need a bit more TLC than rough-and-ready boardgames. More than a few of you have expressed an interest, so don’t be shy; pack up a favorite game or two and share.

If there is a particular game you’d like highlighted, like the RPG schedule example, please drop me a line and we’ll work something out.

Parking
Parking still looks good, But that will change if a bunch of folks show up in Voxys. If you’re driving please tell me the make/model of your car, so I can maximize the parking availability.

Please keep the questions and comments coming. It is shaping up to be a fun fun weekend.

Tuesday, August 21, 2012

The first of many?

This post, the first, is more placeholder than true content. With luck and commitment, more noteworthy posts will follow.
I just wanted to say hello, and say that I am really looking forward to the All Analog games weekend this October, and that I hope that you are, too.